Posted by LIA HAROMAN at 7/21/2006 10:32:04 AM:
George Speight, a disgraced Fijian businessman, launched a coup against Fiji's Labour-led government a few years ago. Speight used nationalist and ethnic rhethoric to justify his actions. The Labour government was headed by a Hindu-Fijian, Mahendra Chaudhry. Immediately after the coup, Speight was paraded by the Australian media as a hero. Today Speight is spending his time behind bars. Truth and justice prevailed in Fiji.
In Timor-Leste, truth and justice must prevail and they will.
No reconciliation without justice.
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sexta-feira, julho 21, 2006
Não há reconcialiação sem justiça
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Fiji suffered a military coup a few years before George Speight did. The coup leader was Sitiveni Rambucca. Rambucca was never brought to justice and he even went on to become Fiji's president at one stage. A kind of reconciliation was held instead of justice. So... George Speight launched his own coup as well.
This is what happens when justice is not fulfilled. This is what happens when people glorify coup leaders.
Let's hope East Timor doesn't follow the path of Fiji.
yes. there are a lot of lessons that East Timor can draw from the Fijian experience.
Bob.
was the coup in Timor-Leste racially motivated? was the fact that Mari Alkatiri being of Arabic descent and a muslim played a role the coup? I think George Speight justified the Fiji coup as a way of stopping Indian Fijians from having too much economic and political power (ethnic Indians make up nearly 50% of Fiji's population). I don't ofcourse condone such thing. Everyone should enjoy the same right in any place on this earth.
Was Mahendra Chaudhry a popular leader in Fiji?
I think Fiji diferent from Timor Lorosae. Timor Lorosae is catolic country 100% and not like comunist to rule our country. Alkatiri is comunist learning in Mosambik and wants to implant comunist goverment in Timor Lorosae. Timor Lorosae people's not want comunism or islam to rule becaus we in danger become muslim and terorism and osama bin laden to rule our country. stop teling East Timor like Fiji or Palestina or Papua Barat.
I am an East Timorese Catholic too, but I do not agree with those who believe that East Timorese Prime Ministers, Ninisters or whatever should be Catholics. To me religion has nothing to do with being elected as Prime Minister or President of the Republic.
I have studied and read a lot about Communism and Marxism-Leninism and I personally know Dr Mari Alkatiri who is not a Communist or Marxist-Leninist.
Mari was an excellent negotiator on East Timor Oil and Gas.
In response to 12:21:23 PM
You need to better understand what terrorism and communism is. Do you even know what they mean? People who understand what these terms mean know that Communism and Terrorism, as those terms are understood today, are two different ideas and I cannot see how one person could possibly be both a communist and a terrorist. Read a book and expand your knowledge. You are absolutely intolerant. No wonder Timor is experiencing the problems it is experiencing, especially if there are more Timorese who think the way you do.
Mari was an excellent negotiator on East Timor Oil and Gas.
Ne maka hodi agreement ne asina primeiru kedas iha loron independensia? Nusa maka grupu sosiedade sivil barak maka kritika nia ka nia politika? Ita nia mina barak - Maibe nusa iha realidade ita sosa hela mina mai husi liur ho folin karu los? Iletrisidade mos sai karu los tamba mina karu. Investor mos susar atu tama tamba iletrisidade karu liu iha fatin seluk. Hau tauk keta halo be la kleur tan ita nia mina mamuk tiha i povu terus nafatin. Se maka aproveita liu? Keta halo be Alkatiri maun-alin ka Alkatiri cs.
Se maun comprende ituan sobre ita nia regime ba fundu petrolifero nian entaun maun sei iha aprciasaun ituan ba Mari nian servisu. Osan nebe ita hetan husi Petroleo no Gas ne mai husi recitas nebe ita hetan husi campania nebe explora iha Timor.
Tuir hau nia conhecimento fundu Petrolifico nian ne agora iha mias ou menos 600 milhoes de dolares. Osan ne sei mana funan ba ita nia futuro. Quando ita hakarak usa osan ida nee ita bele dehan proceso ida ema barak reconhece hanesan transperansia liu system Noruega nian. Tamba osan nebe ita hakarak usa tenki mai husi proposta Governu e tnki liu husi parmlamento. Entaun conclusaun ne hatudo ita iha transparensia na fundus ne.
Tamba sa maka ita la utiliza hela ita nia recursus naturais ba ita nia rai laran? Ne questaun que tuir logica, Timor laiha Refinarias, petrolio nebe sai husi tasi ne "CRUDE" oil e ita labele usa. Nune iha ita nia interese que Mina rai no gas nebe ita explora hela ne faan ona ba rai seluk que iha refinarias. Iha prazu barak faan exportasaun Mina rai nian diak liu hein ba ita desenvolve ita nia capasidade ho refinaria que bele custa tempo e osan.
Se ita hare regime Petroliferico nian, buat ida iha planu ba sustenabilidae Timor nian iha longa prazu, tamba osan nebe rai hela so ita nia oan sira iha futuro maka sei goza. Se ita hakarak informasaun diak liu contactu Timor Sea Office duque hare deit ba Sociedade civil que barak lahetene systema Petroliferico mais critka deit sein base.
Investidor gosta rai ida que sira confia estabilidade. Se ita hare Timor pos Independensia, ita bele dehan iha duvisdas barak ba estabilidade, aconticimentos 4 de Dezembro no Crise agora dadauk la hatudo imagen diak ida ba investidores. Podia ita tur hakamatek ita nia maluk barak so gosta sunu uma, imagina o loke busines ida iha Timor e ema mai sunu tia. Tenki usa processo politica para resolve sasan laos sunu uma no straga sasan.
Hi Lian Haroman, Ita sei hein duni atu hare justica halo nia knar halo lolos, tamba lso duni justisa no verdade maksei lialos.
Maibe mak nune karik se mak sei tama fali iha Bekora? Ita hein to loron ne!
Informasaun nebe ita bot fo diak tebes. Maibe ida ne konsege hato ba iha maluk sira hotu ka lae? Tamba se ema hotu la hatene konaba ida ne maka nune bele sai la dun diak. Povu la hatene ho prosesu saida maka lao.
Uza anarkia hodi rezolve problema buat ida ita hotu la akredita. Tan ne oin nusa maka ita la kongese atu evita buat sira nune?
Kona-ba investor, nusa maka iha entervista DR. Ramos Horta nian nia dehan ema unvestor la mai tamba eletrisidade maka keru liu i la os haree liu ba iha asuntu seguransa? Hau la hatene, maibe nia DR. Horta koalia barak ho ema sira husi liur. Karik nia hateten nune iha TV ema hotu sei sente katak ida ne maka los.
I agree that Mari is a great negotiator on East Timor Oils and Gas in East Timor. I like it very much and I'm 100% support this attitude. I like also the way he shows to others countries that we are Independent and no one can "manage" us as they want. It's brilliant!
It is sad that Mari have never obey the Unidade nacional agreement that he signed in the name of the Party, it is not a good attitude. It’s sad also how he treated the gov. employers from other parties, for example: those who belongs to Fretelin can use the vehicles, fuels and working hours for campaign but those who are not Fretelin members which is not using vehicles, fuels and working hours, he fired them all just because they attempt a campaign from other party.
The procurement office is the major corrupt office in is Timor beside other departments. He has done nothing (maybe)in 4 years to stop it, even people have report it.
Last thing, it seems that Mari knows about Railos group after he has been informed by Policia Paulo. To create Militia (which for me as same thing as rebels) is a poor attitude conduct by Rogerio and maybe Mari was involve and could be as the plan maker (No one knows the fact until the court process is finish)
One thing that I would like to comment is that, those who are pro-Xanana, many people, I guess, including BE in Portugal, they assuming that the pro-Xanana Group are pro-Australia. This is wrong! You see how people react or support the Portuguese team on the copa mundial, event thought Portuguese only got in rank 4, and they still keep calling for “Portugal” name in the street at 4:00 am on that they Portugal lost the game. What they don’t like is the crimes committed by the gov. leaders! Why? It just a simple question that they ask, why we can be sentence to prison and the leaders is not? This make than compare with Indonesia were these Indonesian guys (gov. leaders) are free for any corrupt, violation or etc and the Timorese are sentence to prison. Why they think like that? Because most of them didn’t have the luxury to go to school during Indonesia occupation and they don’t understand about the low either!
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Não há reconcialiação sem justiça
Postado por LIA HAROMAN em 7/21/2006 10:32:04 AM:
George Speight, um homem de negócios de Fiji arruinado, lançou um golpe contra o governo trabalhista de Fiji há alguns anos. Speight usou retóricas nationalistas e étnicas para justificar as suas acções. O governo trabalhista era liderado por Mahendra Chaudhry , um Fijiano indiano. Imediatamente depois do golpe, Speight foi apresentado pelos media Australianos como um herói. Hoje Speight está atrás das grades a cumprir a sua pena. A verdade e a justiça prevaleceram nas Fiji.
Em Timor-Leste, a verdade e a justice devem prevalecer e irão prevalecer.
Nenhuma reconciliação sem justiça.
Registo com agrado um ou dois comentarios em Tetum e Ingles concordando com a minha afirmacao de que o Dr Mari Alkatiri e um excelente negociador do petroleo e gas de Timor. Nao sou de nenhum partido politico timorense e por isso mesmo analiso friamente tudo quanto leio neste blog e procuro respeitar as opinioes aqui expressas em Portugues, Tetum ou Ingles, sem, contudo, concordar com todas elas.
Mas e um desastroso negociador em outras areas como aquelas que acabaram por derruba-lo e causar mais sofrimento ao povo que e inocente.
Obrigado pelo fundo petrolifero mas nao pela crise.
Anónimo das 3:13:48 AM: o que derrubou Alkatiri foi a simples chantagem irresponsável e anticonstitucional PR. E muito responsávelmente Alkatiri saiu para defender o mais importante, a permanência do Parlamento Nacional. E quem causou o sofrimento dos Timorenses foi o PR através dos seus homens de mão Salsinha, Alfredo, Tilman, Tara e Railós, e de líderes dos partidos da aposição.
Pois afinal de tudo foi o PR que andava a governar timor nestes ultimos 4 anos nao foi? Por isso e ele o responsavel pelos problemas que se foram acumulando ao longo desses anos ate ter arrebentado nesta crise. nao e?
Sabiam que o PR tambem e o culpado por Mari Alkatiri ser tao pequenito em estatura. Nao acreditam? E verdade!
Deve haver um artigo qualquer a dizer isso!
Anónimo das 3:58:12 PM: está cada vez mais claro que foi mesmo com o patrocínio e orientação do PR que Tara, Salsinha, Tilman, Alfredo e Railós agiram, minando a autoridade das F-FDTL; que o Paulo Martins agiu minando a autoridade do seu ministro do Interior; que o PGR só faz o que o PR lhe manda fazer. Isto é, cada dia que passa torna-se mais evidente que o PR puxou para si, pela "surra", competências do Executivo e do Judicial, à margem da lei e da Constituição. E que foram (são) essas interferências ilegítimas e ilegais as causas de muitos dos problemas. Dito doutro modo o PR faz o mal e a caramunha e os seguidores do PR acusam o Alkatiri dos males que o PR (e eles) fazem. E tudo isto inconstitucionalmente, à margem da lei e da Constituição.
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