Radio Australia March 15, 2006 -transcript-
Indonesia's Supreme Court has reinstated the ten year jail sentence of the former militia leader Eurico Guterres for crimes against humanity committed in East Timor in 1999. The original sentence had been handed down in 2002 by Indonesia's ad hoc human rights court but reduced to five years on appeal and Guterres has yet to serve any time. Guterres headed the notorious Aitarak or Thorn militia which terrorized Dili's residents ahead of the U-N organised referendum on independence.
Presenter/Interviewer: Karon Snowdon
Speakers: Mario Carrascalao, Special Advisor to East Timor's President and Chairman of the Social Democratic Party.
SNOWDON: In one incident linked to the militia led by Eurico Guterres, in April 1999, at least 12 people died as they sheltered in the house of Manuel Carrascalao, among those killed was Carrascalao's teenage son.
Indonesian backed Timorese militia intimidated independence activists ahead of the referendum and after the overwhelming yes vote, they took revenge, going on a rampage of killing and destruction.
At the time of the first court hearing in 2002 and just ahead of his sentencing, Eurico Guterres was still defiant.
GUTERRES: I would not accept the judges decision, even for one day, or for one hour. Because what I did was for Indonesia.
SNOWDON: Two years later his sentence was halved on appeal, but this week, the Supreme Court reinstated the original ten year gaol term with a vote of four to one.
Manuel Carrascalao's brother, Mario was the Governor of East Timor for a decade from 1982.
CARRASCALAO: My brother's house was attacked. They killed my nephew. I do also have an audio cassette where he encouraged the militias to kill Mario Carrascalao, myself and my brother.
SNOWDON: Indonesia's internationally scorned ad hoc tribunal has acquitted all police and military officers accused of responsibility for or involvement in the atrocities in East Timor.
Prosecutors in the Guterres case have reportedly vowed to have him arrested.
If Guterres serves gaol time he will be the only one of 18 who faced charges in Indonesia to do so.
East Timor's own Serious Crimes Unit has indicted hundreds of offenders but Jakarta has taken no action.
In addition a UN backed report in January accused Indonesia of massive violent crimes during its occupation of East Timor between 1975 and 1999.
Mario Carrascalao who doesn't believe justice has been fully served in the Guterres case, now works as Special Advisor to East Timor's President Xanana Gusmao who favours reconciliation with Indonesia.
CARRASCALAO: For me they make justice, because it was an illegal war, many people here suffer it and many people were being killed here and many people ran away but who was behind Eurico Gutteres. I believe it's from the armed forces and the police, they were behind that.
Because when they attacked my brother's house, and killed my nephew, many people saw that there was the military. It is good that the supreme court arranged a ten year sentence, because he deserve it.
SNOWDON: And do you think that the reinstatement by the supreme court of the ten year sentence is a sign that Indonesia has taken the issue a little more seriously since the publication of the United Nations report, perhaps?
CARRASCALAO: Yeah, that's a better Indonesia for sure.
SNOWDON: And personally for you Mr Carrascalao, are you reconciling with Indonesia and with the Timorese militia after this time? Are you feeling that reconciliation is possible?
CARRASCALAO: No, for me of course I agree with the reconciliation, because you cannot leave the force as the enemy, so we have to really reconciliate with each other, but we should not forget justice.
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Radio Australia March 15, 2006 -transcript-
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Mensagem inicial - 16 de Maio de 2006
"Apesar de frágil, Timor-Leste é uma jovem democracia em que acreditamos. É o país que escolhemos para viver e trabalhar. Desde dia 28 de Abril muito se tem dito sobre a situação em Timor-Leste. Boatos, rumores, alertas, declarações de países estrangeiros, inocentes ou não, têm servido para transmitir um clima de conflito e insegurança que não corresponde ao que vivemos. Vamos tentar transmitir o que se passa aqui. Não o que ouvimos dizer... "