National Media Reports
Mal Rerden: “People Who Support Alfredo, Against Law and Order”
The Commander of International Stabilisation Forces (ISF) Mal Rerden said that the people who join, support or cooperate with Major Alfredo Reinado will be working against the laws of Timor Leste.
Rerden said that Alfredo Reinado is a fugitive and people who join or cooperate with him will be breaking the law. He said Alfredo’s attitude is complicating ISF’s operation. Rerden appealed to all Timorese to cooperate with the ISF to apprehend Reinado and his group of supporters. (DN)
Atul Khare: “Alfredo Reinado Has to Choose 2 Options”
The Special Representative for the Secretary General (SRSG) Atul Khare has said that Alfredo Reinado can choose two options which have been presented by the Government of Timor Leste, the United Nations and the ISF. He said the first is for him to submit himself peacefully to the judicial process and the second is to be arrested by the ISF.
According to Khare the UN mission in Timor Leste will not waiver from these two options as the mandate of UNMIT does not permit the UN to create the impunity in this country. (DN)
UE Send 32 Observers to Timor Leste
The Ministry of Cooperation and Foreign Affairs reportedly held a Ceremony to sign an Intendment Accord it and the European Union regarding electoral observers for the 2007 elections. The Accord was signed by Minister Jose Luis Gutteres and the Representative of European Union n Timor Leste Gugliemo Colombo.
Minister Guterres said that the Accord will ensure international observers may observe the Presidential and Parliamentary elections and to ensure that the election will be free, fair and transparent. Mr Colombo said that EU will send 32 observers for the Presidential Election and 60 for Parliamentary election across all 13 districts including Dili. The members are from 27 nations within the European Union with experience as independent observers. (DN)
State Demands Alfredo to Surrender
The Government of Timor Leste is maintaining its position demanding that Alfredo Reinado disarm and submit himself to justice. The Prime Minister Jose Ramos Horta made the comments at a press conference on yesterday at the Government Palace.
Horta declared that the decision of Government has been clear and that there is no dialogue. He said that the position of Government is clear which is that Alfredo has to disarm and submit himself to justice. (TP)
F-FDTL Will Be Allocated to All Unsafe Places in Dili
The Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence and Security Jose Ramos Horta has announced that the decision of State, which is supported by the President of Republic Xanana Gusmão, to deploy the F-FDTL to provide security in Dili has been taken in consultation with the United Nations. Horta said the F-FDTL is able to provide security.
According to Horta, the F-FDTL will be allocated to trouble spots and prevent those who are indulging in violence to create daily disturbances in the Capital. Horta said maintained that the F-FDTL can perform security tasks despite some organisations expressing their concern. Horta said the State will find the way how to ensure cooperation between the F-FDTL and PNTL and the ISF and UNPOL. (TP)
If the State accepts the conditions, Alfredo Reinado will surrender
The Lawyer for Alfredo Reinado has guaranteed that if State accepts the proposal for surrender without reservation, his client will disarm and submit himself to the justice. Benevides Correia Barros made the comments at the Hotel Timor yesterday.
Benevides said that if State doesn’t agree this client will not surrender. Benevides added that under the proposal, Reinado wants home detention, akin to Rogerio Lobatoand Mari Alkatiri and State has to maintain security for him. (TP)
Alfredo Prefer to Die than To Be Imprisoned
The lawyer for Reinado Benevides has told local media, that his client wants a peaceful resolution. He said that without a thorough investigation, his client would prefer than go to prison. Reinado is insisting upon house arrest.
(STL)
Major Rerden: Alfredo Is No More a Threat for Security
Commander of the Australian-led international forces, Brigadier Mal Rerden declared that Alfredo is not a significant threat for security. He said that Alfredo supporters are becoming weaker and less able to seek support. The ISF is continuing their operation to apprehend Alfredo and his members. In order to accomplish the mission, Major Rerden, has asked for community support by providing information about where Alfredo Reinado and his supporters may be hiding. (STL)
Bishop Alberto: Honest Figure Able to be President
Dili Diocese Bishop’s said that the next East Timor president will be an honest figure. Among those eight registered for the upcoming Presidential Election, he said the winner should be a person of honesty if the people are to trust that person to represent them. He said such candidates should be be honest and seek unity. (STL)
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Primeiro, Reinado dizia que se entregaria quando Alkatiri e Lobato se sujeitassem à Justiça. Agora que isso já aconteceu, exige uma casa no bairro do Farol, etc. And so on...
Reinado ainda não entendeu que não são os arguidos que escolhem a medida de coacção que se lhes aplica até ao julgamento, muito menos recebem uma casa do Estado para ficarem em (confortável) prisão domiciliária.
Também ainda não percebeu que todo o mundo está farto dele, das suas palhaçadas e mentiras. Que dizer da sua observação sobre o que os indonésios faziam ou deixavam de fazer na "nossa aldeia"? Mas acaso ele viveu na sua aldeia durante a ocupação indonésia? Toda a gente sabe que a partir dos 8 anos, desde as Celebes até à Austrália, passando por Dili, onde conheceu a futura mulher, Reinado tem residido em muitos lugares. Mas a "nossa aldeia" não é um deles, de certeza.
Para além disso, afirmou que os militares indonésios não fizeram o que fizeram os australianos. Mas não disse ele anteriormente que a sua família foi toda chacinada pelos indonésios?
Volta, Pinóquio. Estás perdoado...
New party huge gamble for Gusmao
www.timortruth.com
By Sahe Da Silva
17 March 2007
Jose Ramos-Horta’s announcement this week that a new party will be launched by current President of the Republic, Xanana Gusmao, appears to confirm what most experts have been predicting for some time - Gusmao will enter parliamentary politics in Timor-Leste as the head of a new party called the National Congress of Timorese Reconstruction.
The new party will be known by its Portuguese acronym, CNRT, a deliberate attempt to link the new party with the umbrella resistance organisation, the National Council of Timorese Resistance, which was also known by the Portuguese acronym, CNRT.
Fretilin has already indicated that it will take legal action against the acronym CNRT being used by the new political party based on the Constitution and the Laws of Timor-Leste.
In the light of the multiple predictions that a new ‘CNRT’ will be launched, the President’s refusal to announce the date of the parliamentary elections looks like an abuse of his powers to serve his own personal political ambitions.
The decision by Gusmao to form a new party will be a huge gamble for the former resistance leader and current President of the Republic, who remains, at least as a parliamentarian, an unknown quantity.
The aim of the new party will be, at the minimum, to remove the parliamentary majority of Fretilin, Timor-Leste’s largest party. There has also been speculation that the new party, provided it obtains enough seats, may seek to obtain a parliamentary majority by forming a coalition with one or two of the other parties.
There is no doubt that the National Congress of Timorese Reconstruction will be a force in the parliamentary elections as it will leverage Gusmao’s popularity around the country to maximise its votes. The new party will not only take votes from Fretilin, but the other political parties as well. However, even before Gusmao’s party has been formed, there are serious questions being raised about it. The questions relate to the use of the acronym CNRT by the party, whether Gusmao can make the transition to parliamentarian, whether Gusmao will be able to handle the public scrutiny and criticism that will be leveled at him and his party and whether his party will have enough time to prepare for the elections.
The use of CNRT is misleading and deceptive
If the acronym CNRT is used by the new party it will be an opportunistic move to capitalise on the achievements of the National Council of Timorese Resistance which was also known as CNRT. The use of this acronym is misleading and deceptive and will be criticised by other political parties who will argue that the name will confuse the voting population where there is a high level of illiteracy.
The secretary general of Fretilin, Mari Alkatiri, has already said that his party would take legal action against the acronym CNRT being used by the new political party based on the Constitution and the Laws of Timor-Leste. In a media release issued by Fretilin, Alkatiri said that “there is a moral obligation on all parties to be transparent and unambiguous in their identity, campaign messages and policies”.
“We welcome the decision by Xanana Gusmao or others to form a political party and Fretilin looks forward to the up-coming electoral contest. However, it is unacceptable that any political party should seek to capitalise on the name of CNRT which is an organisation of historical significance to the people of Timor-Leste” said Alkatiri.
By way of background, the National Council of Timorese Resistance was the independence umbrella organisation under which the pro-independence parties and individual activists worked together to achieve independence from Indonesia during the 1999 referendum. Once independence had been achieved, CNRT was dissolved shortly after in 2001 so that political parties could participate in a multi-party democracy.
CNRT was initially known as the National Council of Maubere Resistance (CNRM), which was created by the Fretilin leadership in 1987 as a non-partisan organisation designed to involve all East Timorese political organisations and individuals in the struggle for independence.
When CNRM was created the leadership of Fretilin decided that Xanana Gusmao should leave Fretilin to become the leader of CNRM. It was also decided that Falintil would become the armed wing of the entire independence movement as opposed to being the armed wing of Fretilin only. In 1998, the term ‘Maubere’ was dropped from CNRM and replaced with the term ‘Timorese’ to facilitate the entry of the UDT (Timorese Democratic Union) party which absolutely rejected the world ‘Maubere’.
Is Gusmao capable of being an effective parliamentarian or even Prime Minister?
Gusmao remains an unknown quantity as a parliamentarian. An effective and charismatic resistance leader does not automatically make an effective parliamentarian. Gusmao has recently been quoted in the Portuguese media as saying that the role of President has been more difficult than that of resistance leader. However, it is conceivable that life as a parliamentarian let alone the Prime Minister is more difficult than that of President.
By forming a new party, Gusmao and his team are presenting themselves as an alternative government capable of developing and delivering a program for national development. This is new territory for Gusmao and an area in which he clearly lacks experience.
Supporters of Gusmao’s party may argue that the party will surround him with capable people. The questions is, who will these people be? Local media in Dili have reported that some Fretilin dissidents headed by Vitor da Costa and Vicente Maubocy Ximenes will join Gusmao’s new party. This is political suicide for the new party for several reasons. The first is that some of these dissidents such as Maubocy, George Teme and da Costa have aired their grievances outside of Fretilin’s party structure. This is a sign of political immaturity and an inability to properly articulate grievances within a team structure. Secondly, some of the dissidents have patchy disciplinary records. For example, Maubocy was suspended from Fretilin in July 2005 and the suspension was confirmed for another 12 months by an internal disciplinary panel of Fretilin on 16 May 2006. Thirdly, Jose Luis Guterres and Egidio de Jesus misled the public after claiming that they were prevented from contesting the leadership of Fretilin at the party Congress in May 2006 because the election was by show of hands. The reality was that Guterres and de Jesus did not even nominate themselves for the leadership election because they were unable to get the support of 20% of delegates at the Congress (which is the minimum threshold required to contest the election under party rules).
The presence of these dissidents in the new party also brings into question whether Gusmao’s new party will be able to function as a cohesive unit.
As a politician Gusmao will be subject to intense public scrutiny and criticism
If Gusmao becomes a parliamentarian his previous roles in East Timorese society such as that of resistance leader, president of the National Council of Timorese Resistance and President of the Republic will be open to complete scrutiny during the parliamentary election campaign. There is no doubt that politicians from other political parties in Timor-Leste will bring up Gusmao’s past mistakes in an attempt to discredit him and his party in Timor-Leste’s unforgiving political climate.
One of the criticisms that will probably be leveled against Gusmao will be the forced resignation of Mari Alkatiri as Prime Minister based on unfounded allegations made by Vicente Railos in the ABC Four Corner’s program “Stoking the Fires”. On that program Railos claimed that Mari Alkatiri had armed hit squads to eliminate political opponents of Fretiln, allegations which were strenuously denied by Alkatiri. Despite Alkatiri agreeing to co-operate with all investigations, Gusmao used the program to force Alkatiri from office in violation of the Constitution of Timor-Leste. Embarrassingly for Gusmao the East Timorese prosecutor-general recently confirmed that there was a lack of evidence to support Railos’ allegations and the case against Alkatiri was closed.
Another criticism which will be made against Gusmao will be his relationship with army rebel and key player in the 2006 crisis, Alfredo Reinado. The nature and extent of the relationship between the two is the subject of much speculation and will only be made clear when Reinado is brought before the courts for his role in the violence last year, particularly in relation to the killing of government troops in Fatu Ahi on May 23.
Supporters of the President have argued that Gusmao’s close relationship with Reinado was an attempt by the President to control the movements of the rebel and prevent him from causing further damage. While this may be true, the failure to arrest Reinado, Railos and others recommended for prosecution by the “Report of the United Nations: Independent Special Commission of Inquiry for Timor-Leste (2 October 2006)” gave the green light to Dili’s gangs to continue to cause instability and violence. This is because the lack of action is an indication that the State lacks the courage to assert its authority.
These are just two of the criticisms that will be made against Gusmao if he chooses to become a parliamentarian. For someone who is rightfully revered around the country for his role as the leader of the resistance movement, particularly after the dark days of the late 1970s, the public criticism and probing into his previous roles in Timorese society may prove to be difficult to handle.
Will the new party be ready to campaign before the parliamentary elections?
Logistically and organisationally, the new party formed by Gusmao will not have much time to prepare for the election campaign. This has fueled speculation that Gusmao is delaying the announcement of the date for parliamentary elections in order to give the party more time to get organised. If this is the case, then it is a clear abuse of power by the President. The parliamentary elections should be held and a new government should be in place by 20 May 2007 in order to properly comply with the Constitutional time frames.
The decision by Gusmao to lead the new ‘CNRT’ party will mean that the current President and former resistance leader will no longer be an independent figure in this emerging nation. He is throwing down the gauntlet to Fretilin, the political party he once led and which formed the backbone of the successful resistance to the Indonesian occupation. The political stakes in Timor-Leste could not be any higher.
(pdf copy available at
www.timortruth.com/articles/New_party_huge_gamble_for_Gusmao_170307.pdf)
Sahe Da Silva is a Sydney based lawyer who graduated from the University of Technology, Sydney with a Bachelor of Law (honours) and Bachelor of Business (major in accounting). He is the Fretilin spokesperson for New South Wales but the views expressed in this article are his views only and not necessarily that of Fretilin.
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UNMIT – MONITORIZAÇÃO DOS MEDIA – Sexta-feira, 16 Março 2007
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Mal Rerden: “quem apoia Alfredo, está contra a lei e a ordem”
O comandante da Força de Estabilização Internacional (ISF) Mal Rerden disse que as pesoas que se juntarem, apoiarem ou cooperarem com o major Alfredo Reinado estarão a trabalhar contra as leis de Timor-Leste.
Rerden disse que Alfredo Reinado é um foragido e que as pessoas que se juntarem a ele ou que cooperem com ele estão a quebrar a lei. Disse que a atitude de Alfredo está a complicar a operação da ISF. Rerden apelou a todos os Timorenses para cooperarem com a ISF para apreenderem Reinado e o seu grupo de apoiantes. (DN)
Atul Khare: “Alfredo Reinado tem de escolher duas opções”
O Representante Especial do Secretário-Geral (SRSG) Atul Khare disse que Alfredo Reinado pode escolher duas opções que lhe foram apresentadas pelo Governo de Timor-Leste, ONU e ISF. Disse que a primeira é ele submeter-se pacificamente ao processo judicial e a segunda é ser preso pela ISF.
De acordo com Khare a missão da ONU em Timor-Leste não mudará dessas duas opções dado que o mandato da UNMIT não permite que a ONU crie impunidade neste país. (DN)
UE envia 32 observadores para Timor-Leste
O Ministério da Cooperação e dos Negócios Estrangeiros realizou uma cerimónia para assinar um acordo de entendimento com a União Europeia em relação aos observadores eleitorais para as eleições de 2007. O acordo foi assinado pelo ministro José Luis Guterres e o representante da União Europeia em Timor-Leste Gugliemo Colombo.
O ministro Guterres disse que o acordo assegura que os observadores podem observar as eleições Presidenciais e Parlamentares e assegurar que as eleições serão livres, justas e transparentes. O Sr Colombo disse que a UE enviará 32 observadores para as eleições Presidenciais e 60 para as Parlamentares para todos os 13 distritos incluindo Dili. Os membros vêem de 27 nações da União Europeia e têm experiência como observadores independentes. (DN)
Estado exige a Alfredo para se render
O Governo de Timo-Leste mantém a sua posição exigindo que Alfredo Reinado desarme e se submeta ele próprio à justiça. O Primeiro-Ministro José Ramos Horta fez o comentário numa conferência de imprensa ontem no Palácio do Governo.
Horta declarou que a decisão do Governo tem sido clara e que não há nenhum diálogo. Disse que a posição do Governo é clara e que Alfredo tem de desarmar e de submeter-se ele próprio à justiça. (TP)
F-FDTL serão colocadas em todos os lugares não seguros em Dili
O Primeiro-Ministro e ministro da Defesa e Segurança José Ramos Horta anunciou que a decisão do Estado, que é apoiada pelo Presidente da República Xanana Gusmão, para destacar as F-FDTL para garantirem a segurança em Dili foi tomada em consulta com a ONU. Horta disse que as F-FDTL têm capacidade para dar segurança.
De acordo com Horta, as F-FDTL serão colocadas em lugares com problemas para prevenir violência que cria os distúrbios diários na capital. Horta disse manter (a opinião) de que as F-FDTL podem desempenhar tarefas de segurança apesar de algumas organizações expressarem preocupações. Horta disse que o Estado encontrará maneiras para garantir a cooperação entre as F-FDTL e a PNTL e a ISF e UNPOL. (TP)
Se o Estado aceitar as condições, Alfredo Reinado render-se-à
O advogado de Alfredo Reinado garantiu que se o Estado aceitar a proposta de rendição sem reservas, o seu cliente desarma e submete-se ele próprio à justiça. Benevides Correia Barros fez a declaração ontem no Hotel Timor.
Benevides disse que se o Estado não concordar o seu cliente não se renderá. Benevides acrescentou que conforme a proposta, Reinado quer detenção domiciliária, igual à de Rogério Lobato e de Mari Alkatiri e que o Estado deve manter a segurança para ele. (TP)
Alfredo prefere morrer a ficar preso
O advogado de Reinado, Benevides disse aos media locais, que o seu cliente quer uma resolução pacífica. Disse que sem uma investigação cuidadosa, o seu cliente preferirá morrer a ir para a prisão. Reinado insiste na prisão domiciliária.
(STL)
Major Rerden: Alfredo já não é uma ameaça à segurança
O comandante das forças internacionais lideradas pelos Australianos, Brigadeiro Mal Rerden declarou que o Alfredo não é uma ameaça significativa para a segurança. Disse que os apoiantes de Alfredo estavam a ficar mais fracos e menos capazes de procurar apoio. A ISF continua a operação de apreender Alfredo e os membros do seu grupo. De modo a completar a missão, o major Rerden, pediu à comunidade que apoie e dê informações sobre onde Alfredo Reinado e os seus seguidores podem estar escondidos. (STL)
Bispo Alberto: pessoa honesta pode ser Presidente
O bispo da diocese de Dili disse que o próximo presidente de Timor-Leste será uma pessoa honesta. Entre os oito registados para concorrerem às próximas eleições Presidenciais, disse que o vencedor deve ser uma pessoa honesta e que as pessoas têm de confiar na pessoa que as representa. Disse que tais candidatos devem ser honestos e procurarem a unidade. (STL)
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Ruak desvaloriza Reinado e garante eleições seguras
Jornal de Notícias, 17/03/07
Por: Orlando Castro
Ruak desvaloriza Reinado e garante eleições seguras
Alfredo Reinado continua a monte mas a situação não preocupa as autoridades de Timor-Leste. Depois do brigadeiro-general australiano Mal Rerden ter afirmado que as últimas imagens do major reflectem um fugitivo e "não um herói ou um líder," foi agora a vez de um outro brigadeiro-general, desta vez timorense, Taur Matan Ruak, garantir que Reinado "não perturba" o processo eleitoral e que as Forças de Defesa de Timor-Leste (FDTL), por si lideradas, têm a situação sob controlo.
Matan Ruak salienta, contudo, que seria bom para a normalização do país que Reinado fosse detido o mais rapidamente possível. Refugiado nas montanhas com um pequeno grupo de seguidores, o major rebelde poderá estar a receber apoio de alguns grupos de jovens mais radicais.
Embora esse apoio seja admitido por observadores internacionais no país, o primeiro-ministro, Ramos Horta, diz o contrário e garante que nas áreas onde se diz que Reinado teria apoio popular, a população está contra ele.
Especialistas salientam, para além de duvidarem das razões por que falhou a operação australiana de captura, que se pode estar a viver uma situação em que a população, sobretudo a de Aileu, de dia está com o Governo e à noite com Alfredo Reinado.
Taur Matan Ruak corrobora que a segurança será garantida durante a campanha eleitoral para as presidenciais de 9 de Abril, que começa na próxima sexta-feira, recordando que o próprio Alfredo Reinado sempre valorizou a estabilidade do país.
O major Alfredo Reinado, militar fugido, é acusado de posse ilegal de material de guerra e evadiu-se de uma prisão de Díli no dia 30 de Agosto do ano passado.
Alkatiri critica Xanana
Entretanto, o secretário-geral da FRETILIN, Mari Alkatiri, acusa Xanana Gusmão de usar uma designação "enganosa e dissimulada" para o seu novo partido, ao utilizar a designação de "Congresso Nacional para a Reconstrução Timorense", com a sigla CNRT. Ora, diz Alkatiri, "o recurso à sigla CNRT é uma tentativa oportunista e cínica de a associar à anterior organização da Resistência, o Conselho Nacional da Resistência Timorense, igualmente conhecida pela sigla CNRT".
Código de conduta
Os oito candidatos à Presidência da República de Timor-Leste assinaram ontem, numa cerimónia solene, o Código de Conduta a ser observado nas eleições de 9 de Abril.
O Código de Conduta foi aprovado pela Comissão Nacional de Eleições (CNE), a 7 de Março, por proposta do Secretariado Técnico de Administração Eleitoral (STAE).
A cerimónia de assinatura decorreu na presença do actual chefe de Estado, Xanana Gusmão, do chefe da missão da ONU em Timor-Leste, Atul Khare, e de vários diplomatas e líderes políticos.
O presidente da República assinou ele próprio o Código de Conduta, na qualidade de testemunha, em representação de um dos órgãos de soberania.
O Código salienta o compromisso de "aceitar e cumprir escrupulosamente a Constituição, as leis, os regulamentos e outras disposições da República Democrática de Timor-Leste".
http://jn.sapo.pt/2007/03/17/mundo/ruak_desvaloriza_reinado_e_garante_e.html
Correio da Manhã, 2007-03-16 - 00:00:00
Timor-Leste: Caça ao Homem
Reinado em cartaz de fugitivos à Justiça
A imagem do major Alfredo Reinado está a ser divulgada em Timor-Leste numa lista com outros fugitivos à justiça. O cartaz, escrito em tétum, foi divulgado no dia em que o primeiro-ministro, José Ramos-Horta, afirmou que se sente “muito traído” pelo oficial e avisou que a operação de captura continuará porque “o braço da justiça é longo”. As últimas imagens do major “são de um fugitivo, muito preocupado, mal alimentado e sob uma grande pressão”, afirmou, por seu lado, o comandante das Forças de Estabilização Internacionais, brigadeiro-general Mal Rerden.
Lusa
No cartaz, escrito em tétum, lê-se que estes 'seis timorenses têm mandado de captura. Querem desestabilizar a paz no seio do povo e por isso vão dizer mentiras e tentar apoios. Se alguém os ver, deve comunicar à Força de Estabilização ou à Polícia das Nações.
“Sinto-me muito traído pelo major Reinado e defraudado pelo seu comportamento”, afirmou ontem Ramos-Horta, após um encontro com o procurador-geral da República, Longuinhos Monteiro. Horta recordou que recebeu “críticas de muitos sectores por não usar a força” contra Reinado e por insistir durante meses num processo negocial com o oficial que acabou por fugir à justiça.
Relativamente ao impacto negativo que a fuga do major Reinado pode ter nas eleições presidenciais do próximo dia 9 de Abril, Ramos-Horta referiu que não vê nenhum perigo mesmo que o militar não seja capturado até dia 23, início oficial da campanha eleitoral.
O primeiro-ministro adiantou ainda que esteve ontem a visitar Aileu, onde se diz que Reinado tem apoio entre a população. Contudo, diz Ramos-Horta, “tudo estava pacífico”. A fuga de Reinado parece não estar a correr bem. O brigadeiro-general Mal Rerden relatou à imprensa que as imagens do major “são de um fugitivo” e que “as suas acções não são as de um herói nem de um líder”, acrescentando que “Reinado já não coloca uma ameaça importante” à segurança pública.
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